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What do you feel are the most important issues in this election. Many Muslims are saying "Civil Liberties" others are saying "Foreign Policy", yet others are concerned about "Taxes". What do you feel is the most important issue and how the candidates match up? | |||
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| f.h. |
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| I will voting for Bush. I know you will all get mad when I say this. But I think that Kerry is very bad. Also a democrat will raise taxes firt thing he gets. I already broke. Salam | |||
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Yes, I realize that Kerry will raise taxes. That's the first thing that any and every democratic president does. And I don't think you should be ashamed of who you vote for. Just state your reasons and we will respect your choices. | |||
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| Jinan |
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| Salams, I don't think that taxes are our biggest concern right now. Bush has killed (not with his own hands, of course, but indirectly) hundreds of Muslims since being elected into office. He has no regard for the religion of Islam, and he does not care for the large Muslim population in America. If he did, he wouldn't have signed the PATRIOT act into law, nor would he have continued distributing aid to Israel so that they could buy weapons and kill innocent humans such as Sheikh Ahmad Yassine. I think that when a person votes, they should look at all aspects, not just taxes. Foreign policy relations are very important; we don't want another 9-11. And if we, as Muslims, don't stand up and speak out for our rights in the upcoming elections, who know where we will be by 2008? Maybe they'll take away all our civil liberties and strip us of our rights and citizenships. You don't know what might happen, but you can help prevent it. That's why I'm voting for Kerry. Even if he does raise taxes, at least I'll have my rights, my citizenship and my life. And I won't feel dumb like some did who voted for Bush last election when he turned around and killed Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Palestine. Salams. | |||
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| f.h. |
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| Well, kerry did vote for the patriot act. And he would have signed it. Bush did what any president would have done. Kerry will be much worse, since the zionists run his campaign. He will give israel all the money, Bush he at least stood up to them. | |||
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| salams, Can someone explain why any Muslim could vote for Bush after all that he's done to seriously hurt Muslims both in the U.S. and in other countries? For people voting for Bush in this forum's polls, WHY?! What are people's reasoning? I just don't get it. I don't believe that taxes are the main reason- I can't believe that anyone would choose to hurt themselves and their brothers and sisters just to save a few dollars. Plus, Kerry isn't supposed to raise taxes, just to take away some of the tax cuts, and mostly for the upper class, right? Anyway, this question has nothing to do with any of the other candidates or Kerry- who seems to be quite similar to Bush, I don't know what the difference would be between them. My question is just about Bush. WHY would anyone vote for him?! | |||
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| I cannot see how Bush "stood up" to anyone. What is that a reference to? The type of Republicans Bush has allowed the most power under his (mis)administration are those who were hell-bent on invading Iraq, and this was true well before 9-11 provided a handy excuse to do so without providing reasons that can stand up to public scrutiny. I believe they have not only misled the American people, but also that they did so cynically and deliberately by making every effort to connect bin Laden with Saddam Hussein in the public mind. I don't trust Bush -- not only for this reason, but tor others. After giving it some thought, and considering all the issues, I recently decided that I will vote for Kerry, as much as it pains me to vote for a Democratic candidate. I don't believe he will raise taxes for the majority of Americans -- and it seems likely that the Republicans will keep control of at least part of the Congress, if not all of it, making it difficult for a Democratic administration to do too much damage there. The important issues I see are: (1) The next president will be nominating Supreme Court justices, almost certainly. Allowing Bush opportunity to warp the Supreme Court would be a disaster. (2) Fiscal sanity. Democrats have a reputation for "tax and spend." Yet here is a Republican administration, supposedly more fiscally conservative, but in reality inept. Is "borrow and spend" truly better than "tax and spend?" It may be worse. (3) Civil liberties. Kerry beats Bush easily in this area. My two cents. | |||
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| kateb |
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| When did Bush stand up to the Israelis? Are you crazy? If anything, Bush has completely refused to facilitate talks, and there seems to be a don't ask, don't tell understanding between the administration and Israel. I'm shocked by the ignorance here on this subject, when the fact is that BOTH BUSH AND KERRY have been courting the Israeli government's support. (I have pasted in an article below, please read it.) Second, as far as the allegations about Kerry not supporting the reconstruction/aid package to Afghanistan and Iraq -- this is TOTALLY false. True, Kerry voted against it, but this is because he wanted a more fiscally responsible package that did not inflate the domestic budget deficit. You will surely argue that money shouldn't come in the way of aid and reconstruction. But did you know that, BUSH HIMSELF THREATENED TO VETO THE ENTIRE BILL, when it looked like some of the Republicans in Congress also called for better accountability of where the money would come for, and where it would be spent? Look up the information, you are swallowing the political rhetoric without thinking. Finally, as to the issue of taxes. This is yet another distortion. Bush said he raised the child tax credit by $1000, when in fact he did HALF THAT MUCH. The list goes on. I URGE you to please visit www.factcheck.org THIS IS A NON-PARTISAN site what will clear up many of the false truths posted here. see leftcoaster.com for original article. Tom Friedman Thinks Bush Israel/Palestinian "Policy" Is Insane After three years, Tom Friedman finally has thrown up his hands over the Bush Middle East policy. Can anyone look at what is happening — Palestinians, gripped by a collective madness, committing suicide, and Israelis, under a leadership completely adrift, building more settlements so fanatical Jews can live in the heart of Palestinian-populated areas — and not conclude the following: That these two nations are locked in an utterly self-destructive vicious cycle that threatens Israel's long-term viability, poisons America's image in the Middle East, undermines any hope for a Palestinian state and weakens pro-American Arab moderates. No, you can't draw any other conclusion. Yet the Bush team, backed up by certain conservative Jewish and Christian activist groups, believes that the correct policy is to do nothing. Well, that is my definition of insane. Israel must get out of the West Bank and Gaza Strip as soon as possible and evacuate most of the settlements. I have long advocated this, but it is now an urgent necessity. Otherwise, the Jewish state is in peril. Ideally, this withdrawal should be negotiated along the Clinton plan. But if necessary, it should be done unilaterally. This can't happen too soon, and the U.S. should be forcing it. The Bush team rightly speaks of bringing justice to Iraq. It rightly denounces Palestinian suicide madness. But it says nothing about the injustice of the Israeli land grab in the West Bank. The Bush team destroyed the Iraqi regime in three weeks and has not persuaded Israel to give up one settlement in three years. To think America can practice that sort of hypocrisy and win the war of ideas in the Arab-Muslim world is a truly dangerous fantasy. Whoa buddy! Congrats for returning to the real world. It will be fun to see what Karl Rove comes up with next for Bush's Middle East policy, while he hopes that things don't blow up there between now and next November. There is little chance that Bush will lean on Ariel Sharon to lighten up on the settlements or security measures in an election year, especially with Tom DeLay keeping a short leash on Bush in this area. But this is a monster that Bush created, so let's see how his all-star foreign policy team deals with it. | |||
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| kateb |
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| I wanted to add one post in here, as I was in Dearborn Michigan yesterday, and many people I spoke to stated that they were voting for Nader. I do not believe that Nader is the answer. Did you know that Nader--because of lack of support--was going to be excluded from the ballots in over a dozen states? The REPUBLICANS campaigned--literally going door to door and collecting signatures--so that he would be INCLUDED AND THEREFORE POSE A THREAT TO KERRY. In my mind, that takes Nader down a notch. Second, imagine another four years of Bush. More antagonism of the Muslim world, perhaps some military action in Iran, which has been a moderate force in the Middle East of late. The Iraq mess will continue, and more and more of our people will be incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, without trial, under possible threat of torture. See this link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3706050.stm Third, Nader doesn't stand a chance of winning. Of course, you might suggest that if we "all voted our conscience," we'd vote for Nader. This is ridiculous. My conscience does not tell me to vote for Nader, it tells me that this is politics, and that politics is fundamentally based on compromise and negotiation. Kerry isn't perhaps as radical as Howard Dean or Nader, but he is a far sight better than Bush, and as voters, we need to vote strategically. Who has the best chance of usurping Bush? Furthermore, in the impossible event that Nader did win, how would he ever manage to work with a Congress and Senate that would be totally antagonistic to him. Vote strategically, read my previous message and think about that's going on in the world. Visit the candidate's web sites and importantly, seek out FOREIGN sources of news that will give you unbiased, objective evaluations of what's going on. try these sites: www.bbc.co.uk www.guardian.co.uk and www.factcheck.org | |||
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